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- Jun. 20, 1994: Cover Stories:We Go After the Source
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- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1994
- Jun. 20, 1994 The War on Welfare Mothers
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- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- COVER STORIES, Page 28
- "We Go After the Real Source of This Problem"
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- <body>
- <p> Last Friday, President Clinton spoke about welfare reform
- with correspondents Ann Blackman and James Carney:
- </p>
- <p>By Bill Clinton, Ann Blackman, James Carney
- </p>
- <p> TIME: The plan you're about to announce cuts off cash
- benefits after two years but has no firm limit on the amount of
- time recipients can remain in subsidized jobs. Is this in fact
- "ending" welfare?
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: I think it is. Most Americans believe that
- working, even if it's in a subsidized job, is preferable to just
- drawing welfare and not working. I made that clear all along,
- that if we're going to end welfare after a two-year period,
- people had to be able to work. And if there was not work in the
- private sector, then we'd have to create the jobs. Second, I
- think that this bill, plus the earned-income tax credit, plus
- providing health-care coverage to people in low-wage jobs, will
- dramatically undermine the whole basis of dependency. Finally,
- we go after what is the real source of this problem, which is
- the inordinate number of out-of-wedlock births in this country.
- I think all these things put together give us a real chance to
- end welfare as we know it.
- </p>
- <p> TIME: Your plan has been scaled back considerably. Why was
- the added money for child care for the working poor cut back?
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: It would be better if we could do more, but this
- will help. A lot of the folks that need the child-care support
- are going to get cash benefits with the earned-income tax
- credit.
- </p>
- <p> TIME: All the proposals on the table will cost money. But
- doesn't the public expect that reform will produce savings?
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: I think it will produce savings. In the long run
- the expenditures we make will be more than repaid by people who
- move into the work force and stay there for a lifetime instead
- of coming back on welfare. And if we can change the value
- system of the society toward more work and responsible
- parenting, the savings are going to be enormous. Many of them
- can't even be calculated in terms of how many more successful
- children you're going to have who don't drop out of school and
- don't get in trouble.
- </p>
- <p> TIME: In coming up with the money to pay for this plan,
- why did you decide against going after mortgage-interest
- deductions for the wealthiest homeowners?
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: Because I did not want to have a big debate here
- about whether this was some back-door way to eventually have
- middle-class people paying even more money for a welfare state.
- I think it would have been a bogus debate.
- </p>
- <p> TIME: Do you plan to go after this provision in a second
- term?
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: The answer is no.
- </p>
- <p> TIME: The Talent-Faircloth bill cuts off welfare entirely
- to younger mothers and calls for establishing orphanages. Why
- not try something like this?
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: I don't think that taking children away from
- parents against their will, if they want to try to be good
- parents, is the way to go. We've got enough families breaking
- up as it is.
- </p>
- <p> TIME: You've left it to the states to decide whether to
- impose a "family cap," limiting benefits for mothers who have
- more children while on welfare. Critics say it will deprive
- mothers of the money to buy basic necessities.
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: We've got some states that are trying it now, and
- we'll have evidence as it comes in. That's why I think the
- states ought to be free to try. We ought to let this thing be
- debated by people who are closest to the problem. I was in an
- alternative school in Atlanta, and I asked the kids if they
- thought teen pregnancy would drop if there were limitations on
- reimbursement after one or two kids, and 80% of them did.
- </p>
- <p> TIME: Most people don't expect that there will be action
- on this until next year. If not, won't there be a loss of
- momentum?
- </p>
- <p> Clinton: I don't think so, because the American people are
- too interested in it. Whether the bill itself passes this year
- or early next year is not of monumental significance. I think
- that the chances of ultimate passage are enhanced by the fact
- that Republicans did offer their own plan. There are lots of
- similarities. Ultimately, I don't care who gets the credit for
- it. I want the result.
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